A pen of bulls?

I have this thing about travel days on business trips to the East Coast. It’s always seemed like a waste to me. Given the choice I’d much rather take a red-eye, catch a few winks on the plane, and work/play when I land. Taking the red-eye saves me time and the company money, along with a fringe benefit for getting in town early.

Now that I’m here the view has me thinking, “Where’s the best place to put the bullpens?”

Oh god, the organist is playing Peter Bjorn and John. Please stop.

27 thoughts on “A pen of bulls?

  1. I keep waiting for “Triple’s Alley” over in SF to become bullpens.

  2. The best bullpens are in San Diego. The way they have them set up, one behind the fence in left center, the other along the foul line in right field like in Oakland or SF, is completely non sensical.

    • The best bullpens are in San Diego. The way they have them set up, one behind the fence in left center, the other along the foul line in right field like in Oakland or SF, is completely non sensical.

      In a way, I like have bullpens inplay in foul ground because it’s baseball conforming to the given space, the same way the outfield dimensions are sometimes determined by the shape/size of the land. But whatever, I like Dodger Stadium’s set up because did doesn’t distance any fans from the action and it doesn’t interfere with any of the gameplay.

      • In a way, I like have bullpens inplay in foul ground because it’s baseball conforming to the given space

        does not conform with

        I like Dodger Stadium’s set up because … and it doesn’t interfere with any of the gameplay.

      • like have bullpens inplay in foul ground because it’s baseball conforming to the given space

        I see the good qualities in each. Anything else you’d like clarification on?

  3. Behind the Left and Right field fences.

  4. I agree with Briggs in that putting the BP beyond the outfield walls distances the fans from the field. By putting the BP in the corner ala Dodger Stadium, you avoid that problem, and also take it out of the field of play.

  5. Putting the bullpens in the corner, in foul territory, next to the foul poles seems like a good place to me. They can be Diagonally aligned with the foul lines, or made to take up a “section”. We’ve seen at the Coliseum that those are the seats that are least desirable for fans. They are the last place bought.

  6. I had an idea, and I wanted to ask if it was plausible. What is the viability of general seating by section, similar to how the Bleachers work? Say, buying a ticket to sit in Section 216 and sitting anywhere in 216, or expanding it to buying a ticket in the Plaza Infield, for example, and you (and your friends) can sit anywhere in the Plaza Infield. It would give more incentive to enter the ball park early to get your seat (thus, theoretically at least, improving concession sales), make it easier for groups to sit together w/o combing through seats online or at the box office, and remove the need to police specific seat numbers, only sections, which they already do.

    • @Zonis – For all sections? I’d say no. For select sections or half of a section it could make sense. If the chief goal is simply to fill seats I’m not sure that helps.

  7. btw ML where you workin these days that you get to go to fenway and stuff?

    • I think you duplicate the setup in Estadio Dennis Martinez, where the baseball stadium is multi-purpose between baseball and rodeo. Thus, the bullpens can hold both pitchers and actual bulls, depending on the sport.http://www.andrewclem.com/Baseball/EstadioDennisMartinez.html

      Nice. Here I was thinking they should incorporate Victorian elements into Cisco Field (like historical homes surrounding DT San Jose and a throw back to Shibe Park’s facade), but yeah. Rodeo. I dig it.

  8. @Briggs… I’d prefer Mission Architecture, assuming it is San Jose, Nautical in Oaktown. Check this out if you got a second.

  9. @ Jeffrey — Awesome read. I’d love to see A’s and Bay Area converging in the architecture of the new ballpark. Ricky Henderson and Eck should be the most prominent statues there. Getting back to bullpens; I think the A’s ‘pen should be named after Eck and Rollie Fingers somehow. Going off on another tangent, how wants to start a petition encouraging Bailey and Ziggy to grow mustaches?

  10. @ Briggs… I see interesting sponsorship opportunities here.Colorox Presents the Dennis Eckersley Bullpen. Yahoo! presents the Rickey Henderson Left Field Foul Pole. The Reggie Jackson Right Field Foul Pole, brought to you by Facebook. (tongue firmly planted in cheek, but who knows?).

    It has always been my vision that the streets around the stadium, no matter where it is built should be renamed after former players.

  11. I’m all for the handlebar mustaches, Briggs. I started growing my own last year, and it’s still going strong. I thought about asking Ziggy on Saturday when I talked with him for a minute, but I didn’t. Bailey though, might be too young. :)

  12. Below grade, beneath the bleachers or the foulines, where the pitchers could look out small (just above grade) windows to the field of play without displacing fans further from the field. The pitchers can “pop out” of the ground, through a grade level door, and make their entrance onto the field. The scoreboard can have a tv monitor or display showing who is in the bully.

  13. Across the street from Diridon Station.

  14. @Brian, I don’t think MLB is okay with “on the field” bullpens. I remember they only allowed in San Francisco because the original design left bullpens out entirely and it was too late in the process to go back and redo everything to fit them in.

  15. That sounds like an urban legend.
    HOK, designers of more ballparks than any other outfit, somehow forgot to include bullpens ten years into their run? More likely, they made the case to MLB that the site was constricted and they needed the space for seating.

    If on-field bullpens were good enough for Connie Mack Stadium, Ebbets Field, the Polo Grounds, Cleveland Muni, Sportsmans Park, Wrigley Field, and the original versions of Forbes Field and Fenway, then they should be good enough for any new ballpark.

    • More likely, they made the case to MLB that the site was constricted and they needed the space for seating.
      If on-field bullpens were good enough for Connie Mack Stadium, Ebbets Field, the Polo Grounds, Cleveland Muni, Sportsmans Park, Wrigley Field, and the original versions of Forbes Field and Fenway, then they should be good enough for any new ballpark.

      @ Connie Mack — Are you referring to AT&T park’s on-field bullpens? The original plan was to have the bullpens behind the LF wall but in Nov ’97, last minute changes (from the SF Port Commission?) rotated the entire ballpark 15 degrees counter-clockwise. This made RF the only area where Splash Landings would possible so the scoreboard was moved from RF to CF. SF Chronicle and Ballparks.com had these images for a few years but I can’t find them anymore. Any have them? They’d be from Jan-April 1996. I know I vacuum sealed these clippings, but over the years have lost track of the box.

  16. I’d say they should either be on field or just stick them underneath the stands with all the other player facilities. Reason being is that when it’s on field everyone can see who’s up in the bullpen, but when you stick them off the field somewhere most people can’t see who it is anyway, so you might as well just get them out of the way completely. Just stick some camera’s on the walls in there and then when someone goes down to start warming up, just show it on the scoreboard.

  17. Thanks Briggs. Sorry for rumor mongering above.

  18. I know it’s not on topic, but I’ve scoured the Internet and can’t find any trace if the original 1996 China Basin Ballpark renderings. I’ve also did a fair moderate search through storage for my old newspaper clippings– no luck. Do anyone have these scanned? My last option is going to the library but I don’t know if I can scan them there. If you have them, you’ll know it because the scoreboard is over RF and the bullpens will be behind LF. Thanks in advance.

  19. @Briggs… I have asked some folks I know who may have it if they do. I’ll post it here (assuming there is nothing else going on) once I get a picture.

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