Diridon Walking Tour

Here in front of Diridon Station. Jeffrey, fc and Sam are on hand, along with Dennis Korabiak and Kip Harkness from City. Michael Mulcahy as well. 40-50 in total.

Someone just asked when the ballpark would open. Korabiak replied, “2015.” More on that as it comes.

Korabiak just said that the renderings will be officially released by City tomorrow.

Harkness mentioned that the water table is 14 feet below the street.

Mulcahy finished off the tour with a brief speech about supporting the plan.

At least two people asked about what happens if baseball doesn’t come. It’s way off in the distance, say Harkness and Korabiak. Developers won’t make a move until they know baseball and BART are coming.

51 thoughts on “Diridon Walking Tour

  1. I’ll make a BSJ event one of these days. Raising a 4 year-old who just got a damn puppy for her birthday (you figure it out).
    2015? Would this have anything to do with a possible settlement with the Giants? Only a 2-year difference between “Opening Day 2015″ and the sunset of AT&T Park debt service. If not, I can’t figure out why it would take 2-3 years out to break ground.

  2. Darn – i didnt get the notice from BSJ otherwise I would of like to gone to this one…. Any questions on BART or HSR as well as Cisco Field?

  3. 2015, sadly that’s the last year the a’s cost controlled starting pitching staff could be together, at least three of them.

    Anderson-2015.
    Gio-2015
    Cahill-2014.
    Braden-2013
    Mazzaro-2015

  4. Trust me Ian Krol will be here long before those dates come up.

  5. 2015? Wouldn’t that mean the construction of the park wouldn’t start until mid to late 2012 as it usually takes about 2-2.5 years for a park to be built.

    that means we won’t see any shovel in the ground until maybe 18-24 months?

  6. I am not sure what is driving the timeframe but imagine if this is going to happen in Oakland how many additional years need to get added onto this for land acquisition and EIR reports—minimum of 2 years

  7. Work backwards?

    How long does it take to build the ballpark? 2 years?

    So 2013 is when they figure things to be settled?

    That gives us about a year and a half of stuff to sort through.

  8. Hey guys, I was there too and had to run as it was wrapping up. I don’t think we should make a big deal about the projected “Opening Date.”
    .
    There are several things that are baked into that timeline. He also referenced things that would happen in 2-3 years (This was in reference to Autumn Parkway extending to 880 across some railroad tracks), 4-5 years (I forget what he was talking about here). My sense was that he was giving a “if everything takes a long time/worst case scenario” sort of response and it wasn’t 100% “2015.”
    .
    The Diridon Station area is going through a massive change in over the next 1-20 years. Ballpark or no.

  9. @letsgoas

    2012 is a reasonable date considering the A’s still have to deal with AT&T and have a special election in 2011. There could also be in immanent domain vote (on the same ballot?) if AT&T continues to try to bleed the city of San Jose dry. Also, someone, somewhere (the Giants or a NIMBY) will likely try to sue and that could add some time.

    If we are lucky they could break ground in late 2011, but 2012 does seem like a reasonable time-frame. If the MLB could have gotten this study done in a reasonable time for SJ to get the initiative on the June ballot we wouldn’t be in this mess.

  10. Read at BBSJ that the corner of San Fernando and Autum will be the main gate to the park. Is that the corner beyond CF?

  11. Perfect situation for major league baseball.
    * A major US city with 1 million people.
    * Considerable disposable income.
    * Fabulous support of the existing major sports franchise (Sharks)
    * Fabulous downtown location, near a transit hub, for a ballpark, with city ready to turn over the land.

    However, the geniuses who run major league baseball have locked themselves out of this situation with their idiotic territorial rights. Most probably still think San Jose is an inconsequential suburb of Frisco. It’s unfortunate that these are the people we need to do business with if we want to get the A’s here.

  12. The current A’s mess calls for some strong leadership and authoritative decision-making. Unfortunately, MLB does not have that kind of leadership, letting this thing drag on for years on end.

  13. Patience is a virtue. Political processes move at glacial speeds. The same goes for MLB. Though love’em or hate’em, Selig and his crew have been very active compared to past commissioners. 2015 seems pretty optimistic to me. I’d take it. Realistically, I’d say 2017-2018– but even then, it’s not that far away.

    • Patience is a virtue. Political processes move at glacial speeds. The same goes for MLB. Though love’em or hate’em, Selig and his crew have been very active compared to past commissioners. 2015 seems pretty optimistic to me. I’d take it. Realistically, I’d say 2017-2018– but even then, it’s not that far away.

      You’re probably right Briggs. People forget that it wasn’t easy (nor fast) to move the Expos from Montreal to DC. The recent sale of the Rangers also proves the “glacial speeds” theory of political processes. Patience all, this thing will eventually happen!

  14. For those who attended:

    Since 6pm on a Monday in August would be about the arrival time if you were attending an an actual game there, did you drive or take Caltrain/VTA? How was the traffic/commute?

  15. I drove from my job in Palo Alto. It took me 35 minutes.

  16. for two guys with “jk” in your handles you sure fight a lot.
    .

  17. @Briggs, I drove from Foster City – 65 minutes. If the ballpark gets built at Diridon, we’d probably take Caltrain. Because we have two kids, we normally only attend weekend games. Might consider driving if we were going to stay in the SJ area for dinner.

  18. When people are claiming victory in a comments thread, the only victor is inanity. Comments deleted.

  19. Unfortunately, it takes money and real political leadership to get a stadium built.
    .
    Polls are nice. Writers are nice. Neither gets it done.

  20. Okay, I got the latest Facebook members totals. It’s not scientific, but just for fun. So all you pro-San Jose guys don’t get all bent out of shape over this, okay?
    First, the grassroots site for keeping the A’s in Oakland, LetsGoOakland, has 42,223 members, and growing at a clip of over 250 a week.
    San Jose’s grassroots site touting a new ballpark, BaseballSanJose, has a whopping 1202 members. All the buzz of the new stadium renderings on the front page of the Mercury News last week pulled in additional 32 members, IN JUST ONE WEEK!! Keep up the good work BaseballSanJose, Bud Selig is watching you.

    And just for comparison sake, the Facebook members totals for all bay area teams official sites are as follows;
    SF Giants—417,861
    SF 49ers—232,526
    Oakland A’s—202,333
    Oakland Raiders—168,895
    San Jose Sharks—95,366
    GS Warriors—65,564
    SJ EarthQuakes–8357
    SJ Giants– 2985

  21. I was unaware that facebook groups helped finance stadiums? Why don’t you call Oakland City Hall and ask them about real stuff… like how they see a stadium in Oakland being paid for, or, something?

  22. Don’t you get it, jeffrey? A new ballpark in Oakland is supposed to be a charitable venture. Some charitable individual comes in, spends $1 billion of his own money on land and a ballpark and expects nothing in return. Can’t be some mean-spirited capitalist who actually expects to make a profit. Has to be someone willing to lose $$ big time. Very big time.

  23. SJ backers are more LinkedIn kinda people anyhow.

  24. FWIW, I live in San Jose and I am not excited enough to start joining Facebook groups. MLB has given me no reason whatsoever to get excited since it refuses to rule on the A’s-to-San Jose issue. Why would people in San Jose get their hopes up only to have MLB crush them? MLB seems stuck in the 1940s when San Jose was inconsequential.

    Still, it’s looking like the options will be San Jose or some other faraway place for the A’s.

  25. @pjk–that far away place you’re talking about is just 5.9 miles North West of the Coliseum on Victory Ct., your new home of your Oakland A’s!!
    Hey, I’ll admit SJ has come a long ways these last 30-40 years. They spiffed up a dying downtown (still a boring skyline with very few neat old buildings), built up the housing everywhere and generally a nice, clean, safe city. Do they deserve to take a baseball team from a place who’s had them for 42 years? NO!! And I’d admit Oakland politicians have dropped the ball and fan support could be better for the A’s, but it’s not as bad as it used to be when they first came to town. There’s a population and income growth in the eastbay also, and a better venue will do wonders for them in the long run. Look how it’s helped SF; Cleveland, and Balt in the early years; and now Minneapolis.
    Looks like there’s been charity for the Rangers for years, losing all that money. I think Oak will do better long term than Texas, but these salaries need to be controlled. The Yanks, Cubs and Redsox are effing it up for the smaller markets, where even new venues may not be enough to survive.

  26. If Oakland can get it done in Victory Court, great. But I have no faith at all that the city has the will to do it. We know they don’t have the money.

    Meanwhile, San Jose, even while theoretically barred from luring the A’s, has been assembling a site at the same time that Oakland’s mayor was firing the city manager for daring to suggest a downtown ballpark. Previously, the city had taken a unique ballpark, known for its view of the Oakland hills, and wrecked it by turning it into a football stadium. Anybody think this sounds like a place worthy of major league baseball? Didn’t think so.

    Anybody ask Victory Court residents what they think of this? Will they sue? Will they sell? (The same problems affect the San Jose site, though. But at least the ball is already rolling, with San Jose owning half the site.)

    We’re still looking at a city that looks viable (San Jose) vs. one that does not (Oakland).

  27. The Giants having more “fans” than the 49ers should have told you all you need to know about facebook rankings…

  28. @jk-usa – Unfortunately for Oakland Facebook memberships don’t put money in pockets in the same way that butts in the seat would. If they could find a way to charge for those, it sounds like Oakland would be the front runner. As a lifelong Giants fan I won’t claim to know what is going to happen, or even what is more likely to happen, but it seams clear that the A’s being in San Jose would be better for the ownership, better for MLB, and better for the A’s. The only group negatively affected by the move is a city that supports the team on a continually decreasing basis.

  29. Huh???Posts just keep disappearing for no reason on here?? I’ve said nothing offensive, nothing political. Hey ML, you might as well delete my entire Facebook figs post too( up above on this thread). No one seems to appreciate the hard work I did getting those figures anyways. BTW, the Yankees have 1.8 million FB members, the Dallas Cowboys have 1.1 mill, and the LA Lakers have 2.7 mill.–the highest of any sports team I believe.

  30. @jk-usa – Hard work = 2 minutes of searching. Big whoop. Look, Tony disparaged you and you responded. Neither advanced the discussion. Deleted.

  31. I’ll take my deletion like a man; my bad R.M. and jk-usa. Having been at it for nearly 6 years, you’re bound to get reprimanded every now and then. Wasn’t the first time and probably won’t be the last time. Like I’ve said in the past, “Some day this war’s gonna end.”

  32. I’d love for someone to explain how a “privately financed” ballpark in Oakland would actually be financed. Oakland Only guys come on here and tout facebook groups and how the A’s drew great during the Haas era (which is a dubious claim) and how a new stadium in Oakland would draw great (probably true for 3 years) but none ever mention how any of this would be paid for. so how is it going to be paid for? 35 companies won’t cover 230.5 million bucks. Someone spell it out for me. Remember, I am 100% fine withthe A’s playing at Victory Court, I am just skeptical that it can actually be paid for in a similar manner to how AT&T Park was paid for. The corporate base just doesn’t exist.

  33. I’m starting to feel better about San Jose’s chances. First off, if MLB had found a site anywhere in the A’s territory, wouldn’t they have announced it and ended this charade? Sure looks like they can’t find one.

    Meanwhile, the San Jose Redevelopment official quoted in this blog sounds very confident and MLB has said it would help pay for a special election.

  34. @pjk–BS doesn’t know what to do at his point. As he says, it’s very complicated. Do you screw over senior owners like the Giants, or uphold the secret handshake with his frat buddy LW? I don’t think he has all the votes he needs to overturn the TR. He was pissed off at Chuck Reed over the ballot measure this Nov., so that’s not good. He then blows smoke up his ass saying he’ll pay for a special election if it goes SJ’s way. You know this slug of a commish has no integrity whatsoever.
    Here’s a solution: build a new state of-the-art minor league park for the SJ Giants at Diriidon, maybe 10-12k capacity. They have 8 times as many Giant fans there anyway. And get this Victory Ct. thing in Oakland started. I do feel sorry for Uncle Lew over all this though. He ain’t getting any younger.

    • @pjk–BS doesn’t know what to do at his point. As he says, it’s very complicated. Do you screw over senior owners like the Giants, or uphold the secret handshake with his frat buddy LW?I don’t think he has all the votes he needs to overturn the TR. He was pissed off at Chuck Reed over the ballot measure this Nov., so that’s not good. He then blows smoke up his ass saying he’ll pay for a special election if it goes SJ’s way. You know this slug of a commish has no integrity whatsoever.
      Here’s a solution: build a new state of-the-artminor league park for the SJ Giants at Diriidon, maybe 10-12k capacity. They have 8 times as many Giant fans there anyway. And get this Victory Ct. thing in Oakland started. I do feel sorry for Uncle Lew over all this though. He ain’t getting any younger.

      jk,
      “Do you screw over senior owners like the Giants?” jk, hate to break this to yah, but Neukom has been the owner of the Giants for only a year and a half; Lew Wolff is much more senior to him in terms of ownership. Do you have proof that BS “Blew smoke up Reed’s ass” as far as the special election goes? Proof that SJ has “8 times as many Giants fans?” I’ll give you one thing jk, at least you keep the threads interesting and entertaining.

  35. jk-usa… How is Victory Court to be paid for?

  36. Selig doesn’t know what to do because there is no spot to keep the A’s in the East Bay, which is their “territory.” That’s kind of obvious. Why let this thing linger for years on end if there is a viable spot for the A’s in the East Bay? Obviously, because there isn’t. Or we’d have heard about it.

    Don’t worry about Wolff’s age. His son is doing a lot of the legwork, anyway.

  37. How to pay for Victory Court? You mean Oakland doesn’t have a list of billionaires ready to spend billions on a ballpark in Oakland, with no corporate or public backing? Who’d have thought it?

  38. @TonyD–I stand corrected on Neukom, my bad. Shows how much I follow the Giants. So technically Lew Wolff’s higher in seniority and he knows the secret handshake. Okay, that settles it–he gets to move to SJ ASAP with no resistance!! You guys must be feeling wonderful now!
    @pjk-Sincebob Piccininigot screwed my MLB back in 1999, he’s increased his wealth tremendously with Save Mart. I’d give him another shot, along with Reggie and George Zimmer from Men’s Wherehouse, where I buy my suits.

  39. @jk–nothing is preventing Piccinni/Zimmer and Reggie from going public saying they will invest $500M in a privately financed ballpark in Oakland if they are allowed to buy the A’s at $350+M—
    NOTHING–they have a chance right now—I don’t hear them stepping up to the plate—the silence is deafening from any potential Oakland suitors that are willing to privately finance a ballpark in downtown Oakland

  40. @GoA’s–they should of been allowed the team back in 1999. They had the money, and actually overbid. They sell to another SB carpetbagger in 2005 who even said back in 1998 they should go to SJ.
    @TonyD–that 8 to 1 fan ratio may be a stretch. My bad again. If i recall, SCC make up 20% of the SF Giants tix base, or 8k fans; SCC make up 10% of the A’s tix base, or maybe 1800. That’s a 4.5 to 1 ratio. I stand corrected again. But after next year, that will all change. Lew plans to tarp the bleachers, the 2nd deck and the ends of the first deck, to create an even more “intimate setting” like the new minor league ballparks, reducing capacity to 10k. The A’s then may get 8k on average, tops. 10% of that from SCC, or 800 fans. Compare that to the Giants 8k form SCC, you now have a 10-1 ratio. So now you’ll find the A’s off the sporting section completely, but in a small little snippet next to the Sudoku puzzle in the Mercury News.

  41. @jk–who gives f***what happened 10+ years ago–you say they are a viable ownership group today, willing to invest $500M of their own money in a downtown ballpark for Oakland–if that is the case than why have they not stepped forward—don’t be pissed at LW that no one else will do what you expect him to do—

  42. …It must be that mean-spirited profit motive holding back a privately financed park in Oakland. Anybody who might have the means knows such a venture would flood in a sea of red ink. $500 mill for the park plus probably at least another $500 for the team itself, land, lawsuits, everything else.

  43. This comment thread has spun apart into simple bickering but I like that bit about tarping off the bleachers, 2nd deck and ends of the 1st deck. That’s pretty funny.

  44. @GoA’s–In interviews with Piccinini and Reggie recently, they haven’t ruled it out giving it another shot. It’s a hell of a lot of money, but I’m sure even if they had the means to do it, BS and MLB would shoot them down again, and the team would leave the BA..but guess what, THERE”S NOWHERE ELSE TO GO!!!!!

  45. ML–the closest the A’s will get to Vegas is when they played those 6 games in 1996 as Mt. Davis was being built.

    • @jk-usa – Yeah, I wrote about that last week. That’s beside the point. The fact is Reggie was perfectly willing to broadcast his Vegas intentions back then. He was ready to have Oscar Goodman crown him. As great as he was, his greatest loyalty was to himself. Not Oakland. To think otherwise would be foolish.

      It’s also interesting that the Piccinini bid was rejected shortly after Reggie was a brought on board.

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