49ers, Raiders put heads together on stadium

The Chronicle’s Raiders beat writer Vittorio Tafur has a pretty big scoop: the Raiders and 49ers have been in talks about sharing a future Bay Area stadium. Tafur goes on to mention where the Niners are regarding the Santa Clara stadium concept, but mentions nothing about the new Coliseum proposal for the Raiders. At this point it makes the most sense to consider Santa Clara Plan A simply due to the work that has already been done to date. The Coliseum is still in its initial study phase. Speaking of which, as much as I harp on Oakland rushing through the Victory Court EIR process, the new Coliseum was supposed to have its EIR completed in as little as 15 months. Yet here we are, about 9-10 months in, and not a peep.

Fortunately for both teams, the NFL has taken their situations into account and may be ready to lend them a hand. Tim Kawakami notes that as part of the new CBA, the Bay Area has been identified as a place that could receive a loan from the NFL for stadium building.

It’s complicated, though. The CBA designates “stadium credits” for three locations — Los Angeles and presumably the Bay Area are two of them — but not specific teams, the source said.

The “credits” are a precursor to the NFL setting up a formal stadium-loan program, another league source said Tuesday. So, yes, the Raiders could be involved in anything the 49ers try to do, possibly in a shared-stadium venture, as the NFL has encouraged for years.

That isn’t ideal for the Yorks, of course. But at least they know the money could be there, and that means they can keep churning toward their end goal.

Without the NFL loan option, the churning would have been mostly over right here and now.

Initially, a big sticking point in the CBA negotiations was the NFL’s protection of funds for stadia, previously known as the G-3 loan program. The players wanted a piece of the entire pie. While ratification hasn’t been completed, it looks like the players will get a piece of the entire revenue pie, albeit a smaller percentage than what was prescribed in previous CBAs (60% of a smaller pie). Now that it appears that a successor to G-3 is part of the possibly 10-year deal, the prospects should be looking up for the 49ers in terms of getting their funding.

Now let’s take this a step further. Should Santa Clara be the final site for both teams (with the Raiders signing a long-term lease), that should presumably open up the Coliseum for the A’s, right? Yes and No. True, the tenant that destroyed the Coliseum for the A’s would be gone, but they’d be leaving behind $100 million in debt service for Oakland and Alameda County to pay for. There’s no chance that the A’s or MLB will bite on paying off that debt, yet the city and county would need to figure out a way to service it somehow. That could pave the way for the reuse option I drew up last year, but that’s a risky proposition in and of itself. Any reuse of the old Coliseum would require new revenue bonds from the Authority, and I doubt it would politically popular unless it was true slam dunk proposal. Plus there’d be the stink of the Raiders coming back less than 20 years earlier, not selling the place out as advertised, destroying the Coliseum for the A’s, successfully suing Oakland/Alameda County, then negotiating an early end to their stay and finally leaving again.

Finally, there’s A’s ownership’s role in this. Surely, they’d much rather be in control of their situation instead of picking up other teams’ scraps. Revenue generation will be limited at the Coliseum, and the market for ancillary development around the Coliseum is weak. Moreover, redevelopment’s death takes with it any project money for the area, as noted in Oakland’s declaration of support for the Monday lawsuit. The A’s will be funding a greater percentage of their venue privately than either football team, so they should have more say in where they go. As we’ve seen over the last couple of years, you can’t always get what you want.

105 Comments

  • Sid says:

    Ray Ratto is a born moron and anyone who believes that guy is very gullible. Payoffs? There isn’t T-rights in the NFL dumbass. Got I hate that guy with a passion and he actually responds to my emails ripping on him….At least he is cool in that respect! haha!

    The 49ers will give first rights of purchasing Raiders games in the luxury suites to the people who already bought them and revenue share that with the Raiders…probably 80% will go to the Raiders.

    SBLs will have an option as well for a 2nd team if those fans choose to pay for them, once again the Raiders get the lions share of those along with parking/concessions.

    The Raiders will not have to put in a dime outside of a lease into this stadium and reap a good profit margin of a low cost base.

    The 49ers are the primary tenants while the Raiders get to play in a new stadium that will allow them to make $$. There are plenty of Raider fans in the South Bay although there are far more 49ers fans of course.

    I say join the 49ers on a 10 year lease and work on something in Oakland in the meanwhile. It will take Oakland minimum of 10 years to get something up and running plus the 100M debt should be paid off on the Coliseum by then.

    For the short run the Raiders should join the 49ers in SC with the ultimate goal of one day returning to Oakland.

  • Anon says:

    From ESPN : “On abstaining from the owners’ vote, Raiders CEO Amy Trask told NFL.com: “We had profound philosophical differences of a football and an economic nature,” adding, “we voted the way we thought was appropriate.” Looks like the Al can’t milk money from helpless cities anymore and is forced to go to SC!

  • LoneStranger says:

    @Sid – If the NFL gives $300M to build a stadium in Santa Clara, they’re not going to give out another $150M for another stadium in Oakland in ten years.

  • John says:

    Regarding the discussion of public transit options for the Great America site, don’t forget there’s also an Amtrak/Ace station underneath Tasman Dr, right next to the 49ers training facility. I have no idea how much the Amtrak station at the Oakland Coliseum is utilized for Raider games, but it’s there.

    Also, as of right now VTA runs a couple of different express buses from Fremont BART to various points in Santa Clara County, including the Great America area. I assume they will continue with these bus lines once the Warm Springs station opens. There would be no need to transfer to VTA light rail if you’re coming from the East Bay on BART, you would just make one transfer to a VTA bus. I linked the current Express 140 bust route as an example if you’re curious.

    http://www.vta.org/schedules/SC_140_STOPS.html

  • Transic says:

    Essentially, this would be much closer to the situation of the Jets moving into Giants Stadium back in 1984 than the Giants/Jets being partners in the new stadium. I guess if Al Davis was willing to move back into the Coliseum he would live with being a tenant in a new 9ers stadium.

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