Official: Victory Court is dead

And that’s how the drive for a downtown Oakland ballpark ends – with a whimper.

Yet another dream dies.

The Trib’s Angela Woodall reports that as a result of redevelopment cuts, the Victory Court ballpark site is now officially dead. We called it before the New Year, so it’s no surprise. But wait, weren’t there two sites near Jack London Square?

Left: JLS North. Right: Victory Court

JLS North was dropped quickly. Perhaps it was too expensive to acquire. Or maybe there weren’t enough business interests pushing for the site. Whatever the reasoning was, it wasn’t disclosed. Now Victory Court has also gone quietly into the night with little explanation by those who pushed for it.

Let’s step back through memory lane on Victory Court. Our time writing about it, your time reading about it, gone forever:

I guess it’s Coliseum City or bust. Or something.

72 Responses to Official: Victory Court is dead

  1. Dan says:

    I’m usually not much of a Ray Ratto fan, but for once he was spot on in his piece this morning for CSN.

    http://www.csnbayarea.com/blog/athletics-talk/post/City-of-Oakland-grasping-at-stadium-stra?blockID=641992&feedID=2539

  2. bartleby says:

    @ Briggs “All of this is besides the point. Diridon is an adequate site, but as several other articles have mentioned, it isn’t without its issues regarding traffic, population desity and public transit options, which is part is due to San Jose being sprawl, even in its downtown area. Is this really debatable? Let’s be real.”
    .
    I have no idea what you’re talking about. Have you actually been to downtown SJ?
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    Traffic is light for a city it’s size, especially on 280 where you can cruise in even during rush hour with no problem. Traffic is far better in downtown SJ than either SF or Oakland.
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    Downtown certainly does not “sprawl.” At less than a square mile, it is admirably compact and walkable, with dozens of restaurants, bars and nightclubs and many diverse entertainment venues. It has comparable numbers of people within the all-important 20 mile radius as the Coli site, and it’s density is consistently increasing as more high rise condo towers are built.
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    Downtown SJ is currently served by four major rail systems (Caltrain, light rail, Amtrak and ACE), with BART and HSR possibly in the future. It’s also hub for an extensive network of buses.
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    Simply put, there is no comparison between downtown SJ and either Fremont or Dublin/Pleasanton.

  3. Jeffrey says:

    As a Pleasanton resident, I’d love to have the A’s in town. It won’t ever happen, but I’d be down with it:)

  4. pjk says:

    “The first thing that the redevelopment agency going away means for the ballpark in Oakland is that it will not be at Victory Court. ”

    …presumptuous that there will be ANY ballpark in Oakland. There’s no site left but the already-rejected Coliseum site and no money whatsoever to pay for it.

  5. pjk says:

    That’s just an Oakland-only “current rundown.”

  6. pjk says:

    “What I did hear yesterday was that the city has been in contact with MLB — I think that means they’ve communicated that Victory Court’s not going to happen — but that they have not communicated with the A’s.”

    …once again, Oakland doesn’t bother to contact the people absolutely the most-affected by VC cancellation – the A’s owners. Think the A’s owners might want to know what the city is doing about their franchise?

  7. Jeffrey says:

    Uhhh… Coliseum City gets an “A” for effort… But it ain’t ever happening. I feel sorry for the folks that think it is realistic… Angela Woodall needs to learn how to be a journalist. It isn’t her job to hold Oakland’s water. It is her job to report the truth.

  8. letsgoas says:

    talked about a’s issue again on chron live tue. didn’t catch all of it, probably caught the last half but kozimor was the host with thompkins and shea on.

    thompson said a’s fans deserve better, even though the fans who do show up to the coliseum aren’t many they’re great fans and it showed even at fanfest with how much the fans have been kicked in the gut with the recent trades yet again of their star players, they still showed up and showed up big with the supposed 10k who attended the event. thompkins also said it’s unfair what mlb is doing to the a’s fans and org by keeping this team in limbo for essentially the past three years not knowing where their long term home could be by not ruling whether the a’s can move to sj or not.

    mentioned how wolff talked individually with some fans about the whole situation regarding the a’s possibly moving and they thought it was more pr than anything. still they don’t get why wolff is vilified for wanting to move the team just 30 miles south compared to what happened with the sfg back after 92 when lurie who was the majority owner unlike wolff who is the front man as fisher owns 90% of the time and is skating by without being criticized, but lurie unlike wolff wasn’t bashed by the fans or media here locally when he wanted to move the team as far as you could from the bay area when he had a deal with st. petersburg. although i don’t know if that would’ve been the case had there been all the social networking and message board/blogs back 17 or 18 years ago.

    kozimor did ask at the end of the discussion that if you were a businessman wouldn’t you want to move to sj and the panel basically said yes.

  9. Cat Daddy says:

    @Bartleby

    SJ has no traffic? Please sell me whatever it is you have been smoking. Thank you.

  10. Sid says:

    @Cat daddy- San Jose from the East Bay has very little traffic down 680 south. 880 south has some traffic but a 4th lane has been approved to be added from 237 to 101 and will be done before the A’s move to San Jose.

    Victory Court was the biggest pipe dream ever and now that Oakland has thrown in the towel officially it sets up San Jose very nicely.

    Rumor has it from my buddy who works in media is that MLB is going to make a decision the first 2 weeks of February.

    Oakland has been out of the running for a while and San Jose is the only way to save the A’s in this market and MLB knows this.

    Judgement Day is coming soon!

  11. RC says:

    @Cat Daddy: Of course there is SOME traffic, it’s a city with a million people. But they do have 6 freeways and is typically a little bit less of a nightmare for traffic. Most importantly, I’ve been to a few Sharks games, and while that would be about half of the crowd of a sold out Cisco Field baseball game, getting there and leaving seems like it was pretty easy compared to waiting to leave say, a W’s game which would have about the same crowd. You just sit there and wait for your turn to head 880 south in Oakland for what seems like forever at times. But there are a lot of ways out of DT SJ- and if you want to just wait out the little traffic that IS there, there are actually a lot of places to go after the hockey game, which is another bonus for a downtown ballpark.

  12. bartleby says:

    @Cat Daddy “SJ has no traffic? Please sell me whatever it is you have been smoking. Thank you.”
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    That’s not even close to what I wrote. I wrote, specifically in reference to the downtown area, “Traffic is light for a city it’s size, especially on 280 where you can cruise in even during rush hour with no problem. Traffic is far better in downtown SJ than either SF or Oakland.”
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    All completely factual statements. I don’t think you need me to sell you anything; based on the reading comprehension evidenced by your post, I think you’re doing OK with your current supply.

  13. Nicosan says:

    @ML @Jeffrey why is Woodall bringing up the Anti-trust exemption again on twitter? Sen. Boxer wrote that letter back in ’09 about keeping A’s in Oakland once Fremont imploded. But she didn’t explicitly or implicitly mention going after the anti-trust exemption. So why would a journalist bring it up? Likewise, what journalist wouldn’t do due diligence and ask what would entail a Congressional action to end the Anti-Trust exemption? The exemption exists by supreme court precedent. Which means you could try to pass a bill in the House and Senate to remove the exemption, but given that this is a general election year, hardly any legislating is going to happen. Also, this was tried by Symington in 60′s to stop the Kansas City move and in the 1990s, and both of those efforts failed. In the current Senate, you can’t move anything without 60 votes, and I highly doubt there are 60 votes for anything close to this in the Senate, let alone passing something through unanimous consent which would prevent amendment.

    I can understand LGO folks bringing this up because they know zilch about Senate procedure, but why would a journalist bring it up?

  14. Marine Layer says:

    @Nicosan – Woodall’s beat is Oakland. Guess where much of her info comes from? The City of Oakland and its supporters. It quite literally comes with the territory. Take the antitrust threat with a grain of salt. She didn’t follow up that Sen. Boxer hasn’t done anything since she sent the letter to MLB. In addition, Woodall also reported that Alameda County is upset with Oakland officials for not involving them in the Coliseum City project.

  15. pjk says:

    So government pressure is gong to do what? Force MLB to operate the A’s as a money-loser in the Coliseum forever? Remember Diane Feinstein’s adamant insistence that the 49ers need to stay in Frisco? How’s that working out for her?…I believe that with 1 million residents, San Jose should have a few legislators of its own…

  16. Nicosan says:

    @ML it would seem that these threats would need to be taken with entire Morton’s Salt factory. But if the beat was Oakland you could call Barbara Lee’s district office and ask what anti-trust bill would entail and whether the effort would be undertaken. Or Boxer’s SF office. In my view, there isn’t a chance in this hell or any other that such a bill would actually get to the floor of either chamber, one because I doubt Boehner has any interest on the House side and two because I don’t see there being the votes to get such a bill even out of committee on the Senate side. It just seems like one of those wild 11th hour options. Ratto was on point, a wing and prayer won’t work if aren’t serious.

    The nugget about Alameda County being mad at city for not including them in planning for Coliseum City would suggest that the whole idea was slapped together over a day or two and a presser was organized without real planning to cover several leader’s behinds, no?

  17. Marine Layer says:

    @Nicosan – I wouldn’t get worked up about the antitrust threat. It’s not even a paper tiger. It’s a ghost.

    Re: AC/Oak – Yeah, that’s how things seem to work these days.

  18. Dan says:

    What’s really funny is that the ONLY funding source LGO and the city seem to be able to point to right now for their vaportecture Coliseum City plan is… wait for it… the Coliseum Authority which is jointly owned with the county. Sounds like a winner of a plan to me.

  19. Cat Daddy says:

    @Bartleby
    “where you can cruise in even during rush hour with no problem.”

    Yeah, no. Lay off the drugs, kid.

  20. bartleby says:

    @Cat Daddy
    .
    I go to downtown SJ during rush hour on a regular basis; traffic on 280 flows freely. Further, traffic out of downtown after Sharks games and other HP Pavilion events is a cake walk. Clearly you have no idea what you’re talking about.

  21. Groshawn says:

    so happy VC is dead. its a terrible place for the A’s at this point. the athletics would never be succesful there so its good to see that pipe dream finally sleep off

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