Comments on: Petco: Lessons Learned http://newballpark.org/2012/04/28/petco-lessons-learned/ The never ending quest for a proper home for the Oakland Athletics. Thu, 23 May 2013 08:38:00 +0000 hourly 1 By: dknight007 http://newballpark.org/2012/04/28/petco-lessons-learned/comment-page-1/#comment-26408 dknight007 Thu, 03 May 2012 23:44:07 +0000 http://newballpark.org/?p=7099#comment-26408 The low fence idea they had in left fied, center field and right field for Cisco Field in Fremont is what I want to see used for Cisco Field in San Jose or if a new ballpark is built in Coliseum City in Oakland. It’s something different and visually appealing.

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.ballparksofbaseball.com/future/cisco755.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.ballparksofbaseball.com/future/AthleticsBallpark.htm&h=378&w=679&sz=101&tbnid=zOo6sZFXPjNYPM:&tbnh=68&tbnw=122&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dcisco%2Bfield%2Bin%2Bfremont%26tbm%3Disch%26tbo%3Du&zoom=1&q=cisco+field+in+fremont&docid=OFlfFlrsAfc9VM&hl=en&sa=X&ei=MxejT5SELaGhiQLo_ujZDA&ved=0CFMQ9QEwBg&dur=3619

Compared to the kinda bland design and look of the outfield walls for Cisco Field i n SJ below

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/f3/CiscoField3.jpg/295px-CiscoField3.jpg

The ballpark design for Cisco Field in Fremont trumps blows the design for Cisco Field in SJ out of the water IMO.

]]> By: dknight007 http://newballpark.org/2012/04/28/petco-lessons-learned/comment-page-1/#comment-26407 dknight007 Thu, 03 May 2012 23:37:41 +0000 http://newballpark.org/?p=7099#comment-26407 i lived in SD for ten years and got to see plenty of Pads games within a 4 year span before I moved back up to the Bay.

Petco has its goods and bads. The dimensions from center-right center field are terrible and it’s definitely a pitchers park. Most of the games I attended were terribly boring, but of course drunk people acting like idiots make it fun….to a certain extent. I love the walk way area behind home plate, what me and my friends called the Peanut Gallery, because you can stand behind home plate area and keep your beer on a standing area table and have a great view behind home plate to the outfield and eat peanuts and drink beer and not have to sit down.

Western Metal is cool and the first and third base sight lines area great as well. Right field is okay, but left field is weird. Good archictecture overall though.

]]> By: Pudgie http://newballpark.org/2012/04/28/petco-lessons-learned/comment-page-1/#comment-26406 Pudgie Wed, 02 May 2012 03:56:55 +0000 http://newballpark.org/?p=7099#comment-26406 The other reason that the club level may have less rows down the lines is that the large club level cantilever between the bases may require a rear cantilever on the other side of the upper deck. This, however, would have been problematic for the part of the grandstand riding up along 7th Avenue/Tony Gwynn Dr.
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This was an early drawing that was not carried out exactly (the upper deck, for instance, only has 22 rows in this early design):
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http://archrecord.construction.com/projects/bts/archives/stadiums/06_SanDiegoPadres/images/b_lg.jpg
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Can you verify if there is a rear cantilever on the other side of the grandstand? It is hard for me to figure it out looking at exterior photos.

]]> By: Al http://newballpark.org/2012/04/28/petco-lessons-learned/comment-page-1/#comment-26405 Al Mon, 30 Apr 2012 11:37:57 +0000 http://newballpark.org/?p=7099#comment-26405 Speaking of re-use, why not incorporate the PG&E substation into the design of Cisco Field? It would allow for some “electrifying” home runs.

]]> By: Marine Layer http://newballpark.org/2012/04/28/petco-lessons-learned/comment-page-1/#comment-26404 Marine Layer Mon, 30 Apr 2012 04:49:35 +0000 http://newballpark.org/?p=7099#comment-26404 I think you guys are only seeing half the picture, that being the operating income/loss. The A’s were sold to Schott with around $25 million in debt attached. Back then during the days of small group or sole ownerships and much lower franchise valuations, that kind of debt was practically unheard of. Haas ran up an enormous tab running the club and he had to get out.

]]> By: Columbo http://newballpark.org/2012/04/28/petco-lessons-learned/comment-page-1/#comment-26403 Columbo Mon, 30 Apr 2012 04:44:47 +0000 http://newballpark.org/?p=7099#comment-26403 @ Jeffrey – Are you saying the Haas ownership spent to the point that their bottom-line was a -5% after 15 years, including the sale price of the team?

]]> By: bartleby http://newballpark.org/2012/04/28/petco-lessons-learned/comment-page-1/#comment-26402 bartleby Mon, 30 Apr 2012 03:55:31 +0000 http://newballpark.org/?p=7099#comment-26402 @Jeffrey Would it be a fair assumption those losses were mostly incurred during the four or five years of mega payrolls? (My point being, the years of more prudent spending before and after those years were likely profitable, causing a “life of ownership” figure to understate the magnitude of the losses during the Yankee payroll years).

]]> By: Dan http://newballpark.org/2012/04/28/petco-lessons-learned/comment-page-1/#comment-26401 Dan Mon, 30 Apr 2012 02:49:39 +0000 http://newballpark.org/?p=7099#comment-26401 5% of what?

]]> By: Jeffrey http://newballpark.org/2012/04/28/petco-lessons-learned/comment-page-1/#comment-26400 Jeffrey Mon, 30 Apr 2012 02:24:43 +0000 http://newballpark.org/?p=7099#comment-26400 Bart and Dan the A’s lost 5% all things considered over the course of Haas’ ownership. Not sure if that counts as barely, but who cares?

]]> By: Marine Layer http://newballpark.org/2012/04/28/petco-lessons-learned/comment-page-1/#comment-26399 Marine Layer Mon, 30 Apr 2012 01:22:06 +0000 http://newballpark.org/?p=7099#comment-26399 @Columbo – That money probably goes into the Commissioner’s Discretionary Fund, which usually has well north of $10 million per year.

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