The enemy of my enemy is my friend, Part Deux

Shortly after Commissioner Bud Selig convened his three-man panel to figure out what to do with the A’s, all sorts of political machinations started happening. That included then-Oakland City Attorney John Russo (now City Manager of Alameda) penning a lawsuit threat against the A’s. I wrote back then:

What recourse do the Giants have, then? They can try to go to bat for Oakland, even though they have no history of doing that previously. Even though, in moving to China Basin, they’ve actively siphoned East Bay fans away from the A’s. Even though they’ve held a regional hegemony for decades. It wouldn’t be hard to posture themselves as saviors of baseball in Oakland – no matter how strange that sounds – as it wouldn’t require much effort and could be done in a sort of stealth mode. It wouldn’t be difficult to get a few letters from prominent pols in order, so no problem there either. The best part is for the Giants is that it works. It paints Wolff as a villain and Oakland as a victim, despite the backstory’s greater complexity.

Eerie, no?

Now we have word from the Trib that Jean Quan has met with Giants ownership. That wouldn’t be the first time. Perhaps it’s completely altruistic, in that they’re instructing her on how to put together an AT&T Park-style stadium deal, the kind that Clorox CEO Don Knauss is pursuing. (Knauss also had a lengthy interview with KQED.) Then again, this is the same Giants ownership group that may have pulled a power play to kill the Piccinini-Dolich group’s chances to buy the A’s, because the Giants didn’t want an Oakland-based group owning the A’s:

More likely, Piccinini suspects the San Francisco Giants ownership had a hand in convincing Selig to make sure the deal never materialized, especially since Selig has called the A’s move from Kansas City to Oakland “a terrible mistake.”

“I can tell you there’s an executive with the Giants, who shall go unnamed,” Piccinini said. “I ran into him at a Warriors game. He said, ‘I hear you’re getting involved with the Padres. We want you in San Diego; we just didn’t want you here.’ “

Speaking of Piccinini, he’ll be available soon if he wants to deal with the struggle to be an owner again. Piccinini is part of the Moorad group who were teased the Padres, only to have the rug pulled out from under them. Moorad won’t be able go after another team, knowing that there are permanent veto votes against him within the Lodge. Much of the rest of the Central Valley base of the ownership group should be available, and they could pull in another frontman – Andy Dolich, perhaps?

If Piccinini’s right, the Giants don’t care for the A’s in Oakland or anywhere else in the Bay Area. That makes it frustrating to see Quan consult with the Giants. The Giants aren’t doing the City of Oakland any favors. Just because they may have a somewhat allied interest (keeping the A’s out of San Jose) doesn’t mean they are allied.

If Quan’s smart, she’ll ask for some of the SF sponsors that Oakland will need because as much as the East Bay wants to puff its chest out , the pickings are slim. The Chron 200 is an annual list of the Bay Area’s largest independent, publicly-traded companies by revenue. Generally these are companies with revenues over $100 million annually. Some private companies, like Bechtel, or subsidiaries, like Matson (Alexander & Baldwin), and nonprofits (Kaiser Permanente) are excluded. Distributed by region, San Francisco has 19 of 200, with 5 in Marin County and 26 in San Mateo County. Santa Clara County has 102, or 51% of the list. Oakland has 3 companies on the list, the East Bay in total has 38.

Chron 200 list by city/county-region

If you combine SF, San Mateo, and Marin Counties, you get 50 companies. That’s not significantly greater than the East Bay’s 38 – or 40 if we include Kaiser and Matson. Straight up it would appear that there’s enough corporate strength in the East Bay to make a privately financed, $500 million ballpark happen. But the Giants’ argument for years has been that they needed the South Bay to finance AT&T Park. If that’s true then there’s a logical incongruence at work. Either the South Bay was required and there’s no other way but to include them, or the South Bay wasn’t required and the strength of the West Bay is enough. So which is it?

Also, check out the imbalance of companies in the Giants’ designated territory and the A’s. The Giants have over 75% of the Chron 200. The A’s have less than 20%.

The secrecy of the mystery ownership bidder is also a bit baffling. Lew Wolff has said that no interested party has asked him directly about selling the team. Instead, whoever’s interested has chosen to use back channels to engage Wolff – once. What is the point of that? If the East Bay coalition’s goal is to first work with the current ownership group to develop a plan to keep the A’s in Oakland, why have they never directly called Wolff once? They’ve gone semi-public twice in the last several months to indicate there’s an ownership group in waiting. Seems to me it’s a lot harder to put together a press conference than to call Wolff or arrange a meeting. For whatever reason, they haven’t done the latter. In the last comments thread, a question was posed, “Why doesn’t Lew listen to what these guys have to say?” I think the answer is that they have to present something to the man first. They’ve presented a plan to MLB three years ago that went unanswered. If they want to work with Wolff, they might want to first try to, you know, work with Wolff instead of posturing. It’s somewhat embarrassing that Mayor Quan has probably spent more time talking the Giants brass than the A’s. If A’s ownership is the enemy, don’t pussyfoot around it or hedge. Declare it and get to work. Otherwise it’s just another exercise in scoring PR or political points. And the only real winner in the end is the Giants.

154 Responses to The enemy of my enemy is my friend, Part Deux

  1. eb says:

    How receptive has Wolff been to Oakland officials as of late? It would seem like his statement of “”We have no plan B,” Wolff said. “But it can’t be in Oakland,” isn’t conducive to legitimate discussion. Don’t get me wrong, Oakland has gotten a very late jump and has a lot to prove, but it should go both ways. As for the Giants meeting with Oakland, maybe they both figure this is the best strategy for the two parties. Working towards common interests doesn’t mean they’re completely in bed together (bad image of Baer and Quan, sorry) it’s like a Soviet/USA WWII partnership, their association would divert after the goal was accomplished. Lot’s of drama, that’s for sure.

  2. Ali says:

    Wolff has made it abundantly clear he has no desire to discuss an Oakland solution further. He’s said it time and again. Quan knows her best option is to appeal to MLB and/or new ownership.

  3. Marine Layer says:

    @Ali/eb – I concur that Wolff has dismissed Oakland unnecessarily and prematurely. My question is, Why is Oakland talking about working with ownership when they’ve never even attempted to work with ownership? All they’ve done is try to work around Wolff/Fisher and that hasn’t exactly yielded positive results. I’d prefer they go the Kings fans/media route. At least that’s honest.

  4. Tony D. says:

    In reality, you could probably include Fremont and Newark in the South Bay corporate count. I know, I know…county lines, but whatever.
    So lets see: MLB committee has presented its findings to Selig/MLB, Selig says issue on the frontburner, Wolff has no intentions of being in Oakland and just a few weeks ago Selig hinted in working out a deal for San Jose. WHY AND THE HELL ARE QUAN AND THE OAKLAND BUSINESS COMMUNITY STILL FOCUSING ON THE A’S!?
    Like I mentioned in the previous thread, the Raiders WANT to stay in Oakland and at the coliseum. All of Quan’s, Clorox’s and the Oak biz efforts should be on retaining the Raiders. As a Raiders fan, WTF!
    As an A’s fan tired of The O’s treatment over the past 16 years …do you know the way to $an Jo$e!

  5. Columbo says:

    @ ML – Very impressive list of the Chron 200, I must say. The South Bay dominates no doubt. Hands down. Have you looked at segmenting these companies by revenues to see what the actual percentage would be? The reason I ask is because Chevron had revenues of $250 billion last year, which is quite massive. Likewise, some SB companies have enormous revenues as well. I would just be curious as to how the revenue breakdown would look like, percentage-wise. For instance, you mentioned Kaiser was not included (an Oakland company) yet they had over $42 billion in revenues last year. They were present at the press conference as well, leading me to believe that they’re ready to contribute something. I’m not arguing over the comparison between SB companies and EB companies because there is no comparison obviously. Let me say that I’m clearly admitting the South Bay has way more companies. I’m sort of focusing on revenues as well as number of companies. For instance, I posted a very long time ago that I have many, many clients in the East Bay who are business owners. They wouldn’t necessarily fall into the Chron 200 list but they make more than enough money to buy premium seats without question (I was relentlessly challenged for saying this though). In short, how do the 50%+ number of companies stack up to the rest in terms of revenues and how would this be applicable to revenue streams. Please don’t go to great lengths for this I’m just curious if you had an opinion.

  6. eb says:

    @ML Whatever came of the Quan/Wolff meeting, what was it, like 5 or 6 months back? Maybe Oakland is finally starting to get things assembled and they are just coming really late to the party. I mean, the city has had a lot on its plate, maybe the sports issue is starting to get the attention from city leaders. It’s frustrating, but the city has never really been a cohesive, dynamic unit. San Jose appears to be stalled, so why not put their best foot forward now. It hasn’t been much, but these latest showings by the Town are a start.

  7. jeff-athletic says:

    It’s amazing to learn just how much the Giants have been underhanded in trying to cripple the A’s for years, with the Piccinini-Dolich thing falling through.
    I also have absolutely zero doubt that the Giants had a hand in helping the NIMBYs shoot down the Fremont efforts.
    The Giants have been systematically trying to destroy and/or force out the A’s for years.
    The San Francisco Giants are the worst sports franchise in the history of all humanity, and are evil incarnate.
    Also, Jean Quan is the stupidest mayor in the country. She’s like the frog giving the scorpion (the Giants) a ride across the river.
    By all rights, the City of Oakland should sue the Giants for billions, because the Giants have thwarted stadium building efforts, which has been devastating for the local economy. Also, the City of San Jose should sue the Giants for billions, for the same reasons.

  8. Tony D. says:

    Quan working behind Wolffs back and trying to appeal to his good friend and fraternity brother? Somehow I don’t think that would go over to well…OH WELL.

  9. Tony D. says:

    San Jose stalled? How so? Even if true, San Jose is light hears ahead of Oakland in terms of being ready for MLB (land, EIR, Real naming rights sponsor, SVBiz support, etc). Not that being “stalled” would matter as it relates to Oakland’s recent “effort.”

  10. Ali says:

    I’m not the biggest Quan supporter, but in her defense, she came into the situation at a disadvantage. Gerry and Dellums had already mucked up the situation tremendously and eliminated any sliver of hope that Wolff would listen to Oakland’s proposals

  11. Tony D. says:

    Meant light years, not “hears.”

  12. eb says:

    @Tony Stalled in the way of not being able to build in San Jose. I’m finding it extremely unlikely that the Giants will give up the rights and I don’t think Bud/owners will forcibly take it from them. Maybe I’m wrong, but that’s what it looks like as of now.

  13. JGMJ says:

    Yep, it’s quite obvious what is going on. Wolff has been as forward as possible that he will never consider Oakland as a home for the A’s. I’m not sure why Marine Layer even poses this question as he said that he spoke with Wolff on the phone this afternoon . And I quote – “I just got off the phone with Lew Wolff. He confirmed that the team is not for sale and that ownership has explored all options in Oakland.” It doesn’t get much clearer than that.

    If you are 100% for keeping the A’s in Oakland, why not explore all allies? I commend Quan for meeting with the Giants, whatever their motives might be. Oakland needs all the supporters they can get in keeping their team. Getting major businesses (commenters can downplay all they want, but getting these corporations to voice their support is a big deal) on the record and in public is a big step. This is a shot across the bow to Wolff and yet another issue Selig will have to address in his decision.

    OK San Jose shills, rail away.

  14. Columbo says:

    @ ML – One last question. If the Giants don’t want an Oakland-based group to build a new stadium, likely in JLS, and they don’t want the A’s in SJ, well then it’s obvious their preference is for the A’s to leave the area obviously, or “rot” in the Coliseum. However, what if MLB said “no way, no how” the A’s are staying in the Bay Area. In your opinion what would be the lesser of two evils for the Giants? I’m assuming your response will be Oakland but I’m just curious. The reason I ask is because of Piccinini’s statement about the Giants executive telling him they didn’t want him in Oakland, i.e. it would have been detrimental to the Giants business. I can’t imagine the Giants ownership being thrilled about a downtown Oakland stadium based on this quote from Bob. Aside from the obvious, ie. the Giants want the A’s gone, what in the world would they do if MLB says the A’s stay in the Bay? Would they then embrace Oakland (in JLS) vs San Jose?

  15. Marine Layer says:

    @Columbo – I just ran the numbers. In terms of revenue, the West Bay has 30.5%, East Bay 25.9%, South Bay 42.7%. In terms of market cap it’s West Bay 28.8%, East Bay 13.6%, South Bay 56.3%.

    I had to designate three companies as N/A because they were acquired in 2011. Those companies are National Semi (Texas Instruments), Atheros (Qualcomm), and Celera (Quest Diagnostics). The first two are South Bay concerns, the last East Bay.

    Chevron’s an unusual animal because of its position. It’s a key sponsor to both teams so it probably doesn’t want to get involved in this mess. Yet if the East Bay coalition were to get Chevron’s support it would be the biggest gesture by far from the East Bay’s largest company, by far.

    To answer your final question, they Giants would grin and bear it until MLB ultimately decided what to do with the A’s. They’d have no choice and can’t manipulate things anymore than they already have.

    @eb – Nothing happened at the Wolff-Quan meeting.

  16. jon campbell says:

    eb- I couldnt agree more….Giants are not giving up those rights and mlb ain’t taking them so can we please stop bleeding fans with a mediocre team and come up with a solution that can actually happen in this decade

  17. jon campbell says:

    now lets hear the typical tony d.and other san jose homers attack if you disagree with them or their belief that A’s will be in san jose soon, which is a big part of the reason I dont read this blog much anymore

  18. Jeffrey says:

    Publicly, all we know is that Oakland continues to posture.
    These folks really annoy the hell out of me. There are real tangible steps they can be taking to make something happen but they keep holding press conferences instead.
    Why isn’t Let’s Go Oakland proving there is a premium ticket market in Oakland by getting people to buy premium seats now? The A’s play there now. What’s stopping them?
    Why aren’t they getting the folks on their Facebook page to buy season tickets? Let’s assume that the A’s current 9k season ticket holders are all in that group. If they got the reaming portion to combine for partial ticket packages and that was equivalent to 25% of them buying full season ticket packages there is another 8k full season equivalents. That would mean there wouldn’t be a night with less than 17k and a much higher average.
    Instead they play PR games. People who want to “get shit done” don’t call press conferences, they actually make shit happen.

  19. thisplanetsux says:

    I just can’t understand how that idiot Jean Quan could lure Directors and CEOs of companies like Safeway, Cost Plus, Kaiser-Permanente, and Clorox onto a podium with her to try and foist her hair-brain Coliseum City scheme onto the public. Don’t those dummies read this blog and realize how pathetic Oakland and it’s leaders are, and how completely hopeless their situation is?

  20. Marine Layer says:

    @jon campbell – So far it looks like there are more pro-Oakland commenters in this thread than pro-San Jose. Stop crying victim and debate the points.

  21. Jeffrey says:

    Jon… Respectfully, you have zero idea how to build a better than mediocre baseball team. While I disagree with your logic, and I am not a San Jose or bust type, I’d add that one other thing isn’t happening. A new baseball only facility in Oakland.

  22. Jeffrey says:

    Wow TPS is back…

  23. Marine Layer says:

    @tps – There are these things called political favors…

  24. Jeffrey says:

    Columbo, are you posing the question under the assumption that it is better to have a smaller number of large revenue companies? That seems odd to me… You want have more companies in the high revenue bracket than fewer very large companies. My logic here is that any single company is only going to buy so many luxury boxes… Thus, the more companies you have capable of contributing to that premium base the better.
    TPS, so when Fred Blackwell said that Victory Court was a go because Redevelopment wasn’t going to go away about a week before Redevelopment went away that built some serious credibility for the City? Or when Jean Quan said that she would do everything she could to make Victory Court happen but the City didn’t even move on an authorized EIR that built some credibility? And now, without Redevelopment these are the same folks you are believing are going to pull off a $2B mega development? Yep, it’s ML who is delirious.

  25. Tony D. says:

    You are wrong (that was easy).
    You shouldn’t read this blog if reality doesn’t sit well in your stomach.
    My thoughts exactly ;)
    Good night all!

  26. Jeffrey says:

    JGMJ, these supporters voiced their support right here about 3 years ago. This isn’t new. This is the PR cycle replaying itself in a different form.

  27. thisplanetsux says:

    Okay, ML. I guess these folks might actually be indifferent to the loss of the A’s and merely paying Jean back for some favors…. But how far will they go for her now? Are they just standing up there for yet another dog and pony face saving charade for her, so they can now join her as targets of verbal assaults from the gurus in these forums as she crashes and burns? Or are they going to actually go to the mat for her to try and get a stadium built for her?

  28. Marine Layer says:

    @tps – I don’t know. Talk is cheap.

  29. thisplanetsux says:

    Jeffrey, it wasn’t Jean Quan’s credibility on display today. It’s this guy’s credibility you need to impugn to get out of the starting gate with this topic:

    “Clorox strongly and enthusiastically endorses the efforts of the East Bay business community and City of Oakland to keep the Oakland A’s here in a new, world-class stadium. As former president and CEO of the Minute Maid Company, I was actively involved in the design of the new Houston Astros downtown ballpark and subsequently secured naming rights to change the name to Minute Maid Park. From that experience, I can speak first-hand to the revitalization a world-class ballpark can bring to a city. Certainly, Oakland would benefit greatly from the jobs, tourism and vitality a new stadium would bring.

    “The business community is committed to helping drive an effort to support the current ownership group in their quest for a new stadium so long as they are committed to staying in Oakland,” Knauss went on to say. “However, if the current ownership group is not committed to Oakland, we want to make clear that Oakland and the East Bay business community are ready to step up to the plate to help ensure the A’s stay home where they belong in Oakland. We’re confident we have identified an ownership group with the financial wherewithal to buy the team, keep them here and get a new stadium built.”

  30. Mike says:

    Obviously there are the normal thoughts of where are the facts and numbers if there is any real plan…
    But my question is for these companies that are saying they would support the team is they stayed, why aren’t they now? for the companies listed hardly any of them have any sponsorship going on at the Coliseum. If your saying you’re are fully behind it, why aren’t you now? Stop talking and start doing.

    the question of who the mystery ownership group is (did the second secret group already drop out?) People have said there staying quiet to not ruffle Selig feathers. Well if there is a group that has already let Selig know they would buy the A’s. It doesn’t matter if they said publicly who they are, just letting this all go to the media would piss off Selig just the same. Especially since he would know who the group is. They don’t save much face by staying secretive.
    For the comments why doesn’t lew at least meet with Oakland and act like he’s trying is obvious. He did try and he finally got Selig to say there is a chance because everything else had failed. Sop right now he needs to show San Jose is the only option for his team. If he meets with Oakland and say let’s see what you have. It would show Selig Lew thinks Oakland might be possible. So yes he does need to take the current hardline stance.
    The random commenters that say San Jose is not an option and and never will be. MLB has already said so makes no sense. Selig said for years no to San Jose, then before the blue ribbon committee he finally came out and said ok we can take a look. He would never had made this committee if they weren’t considering the letting the A’s have San Jose. Then after the blue ribbon, Selig made3 comments that it’s not easy trying to get a deal done between A’s and Giants which proves what they have decided and that’s to try and get A’s to San Jose. The reason it’s not done yet is because Selig likes trying to make everyone happy as can be, which means this will take time. But the longer the Giants don’t give at all the ore likely they lose out big time
    The fact the Mayor Quan even mentions she met with the giants discusts me. It’s one thing to do it and another to bring it up in this fasion. She is being played and doesnt know it. @ML, I blame you for this… with your comment in the past that the Giants should take this route, obviously planted the idea in their heads. I’m kidding or at least half, ha. …
    And I’m not some San Jose booster. I’m a season ticket holder for the last 13 years that lives a lot closer to Oakland than San Jose. But looking at the plans, one looks a lot more realistic to me of happening. If it needs to be privately financed, the owners need to know there is some backing to their investment. The history in Oakland shows little hope for that. What banks would even jump on board to that plan? Plus with no salary cap in baseball the game has changed and the corp money is what’s needed to compete these days.

  31. Jeffrey says:

    tps, I love how quickly you shift from reactionary argument to reactionary argument. Or was your sarcastic post about Jean Quan meant to support someone else?
    Don Knauss could step up right now and say “I will pledge $100M for naming rights for a new Baseball only facility in Oakland.” But he hasn’t. Just like he didn’t at the time Houston originally built Enron Field (I visited this place on Tuesday, and whoever designed it did an awesome job).
    If he is willing to match the $170M over 28 years that Minute Maid paid the Disastros that would go a long way towards making somersetting happen. In fact, if he did I am pretty sure a new stadium in Oakland would be a lot more likely to happen.
    Of course, $170M for naming rights is really just a small part (less than 10%) of a much larger puzzle that would need be put together to pay for a $2B mega development. Coliseum City isn’t “hair-brained” it is unrealisitic.

  32. dmoas says:

    Just curious, but wouldn’t the fact that the Giants are meeting with Quan like this likely piss Selig off? Especially repeating that hardline stance? Selig isn’t the type to like obstinate owners. He’s not necessarily thrilled with Wolff trying to push it through, I seriously doubt he’s thrilled with Giants doing the opposite along with Quan.

  33. Columbo says:

    @ Jeffrey – “You want have more companies in the high revenue bracket than fewer very large companies.” Quite the contrary. I probably did a less-than-stellar job of communicating my point succinctly. Awhile back I was trying to make a point on this blog how the East Bay has a large amount of small to mid-size companies, depending on your definition. I know this firsthand because of the business I am in. I was continuously shot down because of the mere fact that the South Bay had larger companies and small businesses wouldn’t be a consistent source of revenue. I cited examples of clients who have owned businesses ranging from machinery to extremely successful restaurants to importing nurses from the Orient (believe it or not). So, to answer your question, I actually believe wholeheartedly in a large number of small businesses that are capable of contributing to an effort like this. However, I do concede that there must big boys in there as well. One other point that you mentioned to someone else regarding Knauss. I read an interview today where he was asked point-blank what the financial plans were and his response was that he wants to respect the MLB process and felt it was premature to give details at this time. Is this posturing? Is he full of shit? Who the hell knows…all I know is that is what his response was and that’s all I can utilize for my own opinion. Everything else is speculation as to what he really was saying.

  34. Jeffrey says:

    For what it’s worth I reached out to a person within the Oakland camp about the Giants meeting with Jean Quan about three weeks ago and I was told it was hogwash, that Oakland doesn’t need the Giants help. This person mentioned that Oakland was working with Forest City to come up with a financing plan for Coliseum City. I hadn’t read that (about Forest City), but I have also been on a brutal travel schedule (I have been in Houston, San Antonio and Denver over the past three days for example) so missing such an article isn’t exactly outside the realm of possibilities.
    All in all, the Oakland plan is still a very fluid thing. The one thing I feel is smart about Coliseum City is that a large portion of the land is already publicly owned. The land acquisition/business relocation costs are what really sunk Victory Court… Even with Redevelopment it was a stretch to put $250M toward that project before a single shovel hit the ground.
    It is still hard to imagine all of the moving pieces coming together for all three franchises and the other components of the development in the next 4-5 years. As I understand it, for the project to pencil out 2 of the sports teams will have to privately finance construction on new stadiums at the site. There seems to be one that thinks it is a good idea to have stadium there (the Raiders) but they aren’t so committed to it that they aren’t talking to LA and thinking about Dublin.

  35. TW says:

    While this makes for great discussion — it’s a largely academic discussion. Eager and proactive city leaders along with bigger $$$ await LW/A’s in San Jose. This is where the A’s leadership want to go and they have made that point plainly clear. They have also made it clear that all options in Oakland have been exhausted. And while this is admirable of Clorox they, like the Oakland pols, are a day late and a dollar short (to say the least). And while some may feel the A’s have not been receptive enough to Oakland recently (you are right, they have not been receptive), you really have to turn a ‘Giant’ blind eye to a long track record of what the Oakland pols did to cause the A’s to close the door on Oakland. The A’s would have to be soft in the head to waste time and go down this road yet again – especially considering at best the end result would be a new stadium far down the timeline that will still lack big $$$ spenders, be an also ran to the Giants and solidify themselves as a bottom feeder revenue team. Sounds great, not. The A’s are looking to move significantly up the food chain and that isn’t in Oakland. However, if somehow, someway the A’s were forced to look back to Oakland, they would be foolish to do so unless the biz/pol players, land/ER/etc and funding were in plain view. For the A’s to engage Oakland again and have a fruitless process drag out with incompetent leaders would be a travesty for any real A’s fan.

  36. Jeffrey says:

    Columbo, it takes businesses of all stripes (huge, semi huge, medium and small). That’s the challenge in the East Bay. You need a good mix of all of the above. Santa Clara County has that (the same sort of businesses you are talking about)… Alameda and Contra Costa don’t have as many at the upper end of the spectrum… That’s why I asked the question… I think of it like cars. Back in the day Daimler Chrysler forged a partnership with Hyundai to create revenue streams across all the different segments of the car market. A similar principle applies here. You need businesses that can buy the tricked out Mercedes of sponsorship (namig rights), the tricked out, but sightly less tricked out version (signage and puring, etc), the top of the line Chrysler (boxes), the Sebring (club seats) all the way on down the the Elantra (plaza level infield)… Again this is just sponsorship and premium seats… The things corporations buy. The East Bay is slim in some of these areas, flush in others.

  37. thisplanetsux says:

    “However, if somehow, someway the A’s were forced to look back to Oakland, they would be foolish to do so unless the biz/pol players, land/ER/etc and funding were in plain view. For the A’s to engage Oakland again and have a fruitless process drag out with incompetent leaders would be a travesty for any real A’s fan.” -TW

    I’m pretty sure if I thought any of the above, I could not possibly be an A’s fan (real or imagined), since my mind would be so advanced and clear thinking and unfailing, that I’d have to devote all my time to contemplating the miracle of the first 1 billionth of a second after the big bang when energy was infinite.

  38. daniel says:

    Karma oh Karma, pretty soon the G’s will run out of players bcuz all will be hurt…..

    Baseball gods will punish the arrogant types.

  39. I find it ever harder to believe that the Giants would be fucking the A’s this harshly if the Commissioner didn’t want the A’s fucked. Selig would have put a stop to this victimization of one team by another long ago if this wasn’t fine with him. The drain this franchise finds itself circling is fashioned in equal parts by Selig and the Giants, with current A’s ownership not far behind in terms of failing to call out both parties on their sociopathic orientation — especially the Giants, who are clearly driven out of their minds with fear of what the A’s could become in Silicon Valley or even in Oakland with the proper attention and investment — to what is happening. This whole situation is like an Ingmar Bergman film with more idiotic posturing and I am sick to death of it… ML you ought to write a book about it all. Working title: “Fear and Loathing in Larry Baer’s Twisted Psyche”.

  40. bartleby says:

    Supplementing Jeffrey’s very valid points:
    In addition to considering the overall size of the company it’s important to consider how much of the company is actually based here. Chevron is gigantic, but they are an oil company, and must operate where the oil is. I’m guessing the vast majority of their company is scattered around the world.
    The corporate HQ of a $250 billion company may not be that much bigger than the HQ of a $50 billion company; administrative functions don’t scale that way. Although I don’t know how many Chevron employees are in San Ramon, I’m guessing companies like HP, Apple, Cisco, Facebook, Google, etc. may actually have a larger local presence because more of their actual operations are at HQ.
    Also: Some of the biggest customers for premium seating are service businesses like big law firms and financial companies. These tend to be located near the corporate headquarters of their customers, meaning the vast majority of them in the Bay Area are in SF and the Peninsula/South Bay.
    Finally, I think lists like the Chron 200 or BANG’s SV 150 actually understate the edge the South Bay has in corporate base, because they are HQ focused. There are a ton of large companies that are not headquartered in the South Bay that still maintain a significant presence here (e.g. Microsoft, Raytheon).

  41. eb says:

    Chevron has 62,000 employees worldwide and 10,000 in California. 2,700 employees are in Richmond with another 850 contract workers.

  42. eb says:

    I wish there was an edit feature..Kaiser has 21,000 Bay Area employees, Clorox 7,600 (don’t know if that’s all in the Bay Area).

  43. Briggs says:

    If Oakland and East Bay Businesses are so eager to support the A’s, why wait until there’s a new ballpark? Start now.

  44. thisplanetsux says:

    That’s a good point Briggs. Even though we all should give a free pass and cheer for Cisco and the SV teams that won’t support the A’s unless they relocate to the South Bay, there’s no reason East Bay companies shouldn’t be bigger than that and invest in a team officially, steadfastly working to leave. So what if Lew took 5 minutes to respond that “Oakland just ain’t gonna happen, not ever.” They can still take that NO as a YES and fork over some bucks anyway if they were really serious. Fans and businesses alike should be ashamed of themselves for not digging down deep to help finance the club’s move south.

  45. thisplanetsux says:

    Oops that should be ‘SV companies’ :/

  46. John says:

    I didn’t realize Alviso was a separate city.

  47. jeff-athletic says:

    “If Oakland and East Bay Businesses are so eager to support the A’s, why wait until there’s a new ballpark? Start now.”
    Bingo. Hit nail on head. Hit it out of the ballpark. etc etc.
    That’s just it. It’s a “show me the money” proposition. Bring real money to the table NOW, and spare the press conferences/posturing, and Wolff/Selig will most likely listen.
    Money talks, bullshit walks.

  48. bartleby says:

    “Even though we all should give a free pass and cheer for Cisco and the SV teams that won’t support the A’s unless they relocate to the South Bay,”
    Yes, because there’s no difference between: (a) companies supporting a team twenty minutes away that they are trying to retain out of local pride and/or marketing, and (b) companies committing to send clients and execs through two hours of brutal traffic to support another city’s team and reduce the chance of the team moving closer by. Your logic is unassailable, as always.

  49. Marine Layer says:

    @John – It’s not. It’s part of San Jose. I probably should’ve separated Redwood Shores from Redwood City using the same rule.

  50. Tony D. says:

    “Money talks, bullshit walks.” Pure Gospel! Just keep on walking Quan and company…

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