Comments on: Sharks ownership speaks out

By: Mike2

Mike2 — Tue, 21 Aug 2012 05:49:43 +0000

I plan on being at the Tank on December 20th when/if (Hopefully no lock out) they play my Kings . HP Pavillion is one my favorite arenas in the country, and I always liked sitting amonst Shark fans. Oops wrong blog. Just wanted to say thanks Marine Layer for the insight on the A’s/Sharks stadium issues over the last 3+ years.

By: Dan

Dan — Tue, 21 Aug 2012 03:11:19 +0000

letsgoa’s, not sure I agree. The Tank is just as good an arena as most of the ones that followed in the early to mid 90′s. It has the same number of suites, that are just as classy, etc… Only difference is the orientation, and it hasn’t impacted how much they sell for our how many they sell.

By: GoA's

GoA's — Tue, 21 Aug 2012 02:49:59 +0000

I agree letsgoas–the Tank is an awesome place for hockey—I guess I could see the boxes brought down from the top and stacked on top of the concourse boxes–believe Anaheim is like this—but unless there is going to be an nba team playing there I wouldn’t do much to it—it was really well planned and is maintained perfectly–

Interesting that SVSE has worked so hard with Ellison to get an NBA team to SJ–given that it would directly compete with the hockey season and revenue streams–baseball by and large is off season to hockey so a better fit–

By: letsgoas

letsgoas — Tue, 21 Aug 2012 01:57:50 +0000

hp is like us cell of mlb. both parks were build right before the stadium/arena boom that took place in each league. us cell made drastic renovations over the past half decade to where before it was seen as stark and uninteresting to the point after that it’s better looking than a lot of the newer park built imo over the past decade. i don’t know how much renovations or what else they could do to the arena at hp but i doubt a new arena would be that much of an improvement over what they have now.

By: Tony D.

Tony D. — Tue, 21 Aug 2012 01:57:49 +0000

Please don’t blast me, just thinking outside the box: how about a new SJ arena just south and adjacent to the convention Center? On Market street where the hideous blue tent now exists? You’d have to cut in slightly to the existing CC and perhaps acquire private parcels a bit further south, but it would be similar to what LA is planning for Farmers Field and the LA CC. You might even be able to tap into the current CC Mello Roos for funding of arena, CC “expansion.” Still convenient to Diridon Station via light-rail line and would really bring up SoFa District.
Anyhow, we’ll probably see a major upgrade of HP Pavilion within the next 10 years, not a new facility.

By: SantaTeresaHills

SantaTeresaHills — Mon, 20 Aug 2012 18:43:17 +0000

The old San Jose Water property is now owned by Adobe. They planned to put more of their office buildings on the the rectangle part. The plan for the triangle plot across the street is condo towers which was originally planned by San Jose Water. That said, I haven’t really heard anything from Adobe since they bought the land. Regardless the city of San Jose doesn’t control that land and they approved what Adobe was planning to do.

I think the city of San Jose is planning to use the existing and/or new parking garages on the other side of 87 and have them walk to the A’s ballpark. Since light rail and Caltrain are already there with BART eventually, they are counting on a certain amount of people to take public transportation. The Caltrain parking lots are planned to be office towers with restaurant/entertainment retail on the bottom floor(s). With the restaurant / bars in between HP and Cisco and the dispersed parking away from Cisco, they are counting on the traffic being dispersed geographically and also by time.

A lot of people currently park near the San Pedro’s restaurants and bars which lessened the amount of parking right next to the HP Pavilion. The reason that they are building the parking garage is because they eventually will lose all of the surface Caltrain parking lots south of HP Pavilion.

By: pjk

pjk — Mon, 20 Aug 2012 17:26:58 +0000

SJ’s arena was built at the start of a wave of new arenas all built from about 1993 to 1998. Chicago, Boston, Saint Louis, etc. It’s not like SJ’s arena is decades older than most of the others. It’s more like a year or two older. Anaheim’s arena opened about a week before SJ’s, so technically that one is older even though the concrete was drying on both of them at the same time.

By: SierraSpartan

SierraSpartan — Mon, 20 Aug 2012 15:47:56 +0000

I think the main difference between HP and some of its similarly-aged brethren (Honda, ScotiaBank Centre, Copps, Bradley) is that both the City and SVSE have gone to great strides to make sure that the arena remains NHL-spec in as many aspects as possible. The only real fault (hockey-wise) for HP is the ice quality later in the season, and that’s more environmental than anything else. With the normal springime ambient temperature and humidity, nothing short of a climate-controlled dome over the structure, or several kajillion additional tons of AC capacity, is going to help that.

If there was going to be a “new” HP Pavilion built, it would probably be located on the SJWC parcel; failing that, if the A’s to San Jose thing were to fall through, it is entirely possible that a “new” pavilion could be constructed down at Park and Montgomery, on the old KNTV site. Of course, that’s in the 20-year time frame, for I believe the Pavilion has that much useful life left in it, with the caveat that if the Pier 30 arena in SF gets built, HP’s useful lifespan drops down to about the time required to construct a replacement.

By: Dan

Dan — Mon, 20 Aug 2012 15:39:43 +0000

LS, the city will never have to pay for it. An arena plan with apublic financing component would never pass voter muster in SJ, just as it won’t in SF or Oakland.

By: Dan

Dan — Mon, 20 Aug 2012 15:36:24 +0000

Actually ML it is 5th oldest by my count. And of the older arenas MSG has undergone an extensive rebuild over the last two years, Nassau Coliseum isn’t long for this world, and Joe Louis Arena isn’t going to be around much longer if Detroit gets their way.
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Still not sure if I buy it that they’re not making money given how many suites they’ve sold out, how many tickets they sell, and that SVSE garners revenue from every event held at HP. If anything I think they’re trying to bolster their own position ahead of a request for enhancements to the SJ Arena.