Update from May 2012 Owners Meetings

Piping hot updates from Fox Sports’ Ken Rosenthal and Sports Business Journal’s Eric Fisher. First Rosenthal:


Now Fisher:

In sum, no news, they’re still working on it and it may take longer to get right.

Selig deserves a lot of criticism for not being more decisive on this matter, but he is absolutely right about the issue being very complicated. Then again, he gets paid $18 million a year to run baseball. It’s his job to deal with complicated issues.

Update 11:26 AM – The media AP is running with the “move out of Oakland” story.

Update 11:47 AM – For added context, a Jon Heyman article yesterday had Bill Neukom at the meetings this week. The fact that he’s still representing the Giants indicates that he’s still the lead for the team on the T-rights issue. Like it or not, he casts a shadow.

Update 2:44 PM – As predicted in the comments, Lew Wolff had to clean up Bud Selig’s mess.

“Number one, my only objective is to remain in the Bay Area,” A’s owner Lew Wolff said Thursday. “And based on all our studies, plus receiving no indication from the blue-ribbon committee that we missed anything, the only location we can find to build a ballpark that’s do-able is in downtown San Jose. I intend to do that. And we intend to invest half a billion dollars in private funds to do so.”

Cleaning up Selig’s mess. That’s what a fraternity brother is for.

77 thoughts on “Update from May 2012 Owners Meetings

  1. Selig himself has overcomplicated this issue as the other 2-team markets (LA, NY, CHI) are all shared and this would not be an issue otherwise.

    The Giants value is higher because of the apparent 3/4 and 1/4 split between the teams territory wise regulating the A’s to a small market team that resides in a big market in reality.

    This is MLB’s fault 100% and it is Un-American to restrict the A’s or any business in the fashion the Giants have done.

    This is a two team market and in reality the A’s are in the wrong city and Selig knows it full well but he instead clings to back room rules that do not apply to any other business nor sport in the United States.

    It is lawsuit time for the City of San Jose, this cannot go on for 4 years…..It is not THAT complicated for it to take this long.

    T-rights are against the fundamentals that this country was built upon for all businesses and that includes sports.

  2. @DarkKnight007: This is how Twitter is useful.

  3. that front-burner is on the “fritz”!

  4. This is kinda like when you see the dark clouds looming and some rain drops on the window, only to go outside and find out there is no trace of water on the ground.

  5. Absolutely ridiculous. There is no problem in the world that is so complex a committee has to sit behind closed doors for OVER THREE YEARS solving it. And one day, said committee will emerge with The Perfect Solution in hand. What a load of bull.

    I am so tired of Selig and the Fisher ownership. The whole lot of them truly makes me sick inside.

  6. “People think it’s taken a long time but if you knew what what’s gone into it.”
    Well then enlighten us. Provide us with some information.

  7. It doesn’t appear that anyone asked Selig about the recent Oakland booster/PR effort.

  8. At very least, as courtesy to A’s fans, they should give a rough estimate of when a decision will be announced. That way, in the meantime, A’s fans are tearing each other apart over the issue. Sadly, fan consideration probably doesn’t even crack MLB’s top 10 priorities.

  9. @Jose- what the heck does LW have to do with MLB decision process- he feels it should have been made awhile ago also- how about Oaklands progress? 17 years and stil no agreed upon site- they make MLB look damn efficient!

  10. Well I’m preparing. If the A’s do relocate out of state, I think I’ll become a Padres fan. F the giants, F the Angels, F the dodgers.. By default, I gotta root for San Diego

  11. And so the subtle threat of moving out of the area has made an appearance once again. Sigh…

  12. AP reports:

    NEW YORK — Baseball commissioner Bud Selig says it’s up to Oakland owner Lew Wolff to decide whether to consider additional sites for a new ballpark for the Athletics, raising the possibility of a move from the Bay Area.

    Speaking Thursday after an owners’ meeting, Selig said there’s no timetable for resolving Oakland’s dispute with the San Francisco Giants. The Giants are preventing the A’s from building a ballpark in San Jose, which is part of the Giants’ territory.

    Asked whether he would approve a move by Oakland, Selig said “it just depends on where they’re moving to.”

    Baseball also announced the new one-game wild-card playoffs will be televised Oct. 5 by TBS and that two division series games will shift from TBS to the MLB Network.


    Now that’s really uncharacteristically sloppy writting from AP. “Baseball commissioner,” “Oakland owner,” “division series games;” as well as pure speculation on a wire story, which are nearly always sturdy matter-of-fact news bites.

  13. @ML that is because I imagine that no owners take the Oakland proposals seriously other than the Giants, in so far as serious denotes, “stuck in neutral” which is best for them.

  14. Now Wolff will have to field calls denying that he wants to move out of the Bay Area, even though it only came up as a question to Selig.

  15. What would be lovely would be for reports to ask Charles Johnson that very question.

  16. Selig is good at doing the Eisenhower/Greenspan thing of being deliberately obtuse. Reading between the lines, he seems to be siding with the Giants… sigh. (If you ever want the classic example of deliberate obtuse, listen to Ike’s answer when he was asked if the U.S. would defend two small islands called Quemoy and Matsu that both Taiwan and China claimed).

  17. Selig will continue to do nothing on this issue, hoping it solves itself when it clearly won’t. What leadership

  18. We may soon find out for real which is the more likely scenario: A new ballpark in Oakland, built with no public funding, or a move out of the Bay Area. I fear it will be the latter

  19. Funny to look back when everyone was talking about how because Wolff and Selig shared some secret fratboy handshake that an SJ move would be quite nearly a formality.

  20. I’d love to see Wolff re-up for a 15-year, ironclad lease extension at the Coliseum. We keep our team in the Bay Area and MLB gets to keep subsidizing the team for tens of millions of dollars each year to protect the Giants’ so-called “territorial rights,” instead of making money in San Jose. And MLB can continue to share a football stadium with the Raiders, in a city that has made it clear that baseball is the red-headed stepchild behind football and basketball.

  21. f$#@ selig and those bastards from across the bay. karma is a bitch and sooner or later it’ll come back to bite each in the ass eventually.

  22. I sense damage-control will be in full effect this afternoon.

  23. @ML – Good point. None of these tweets says anything about the A’s moving “out of the Bay Area”.
    In the age of the blog, people need to separate opinion from actual facts.

  24. Anyone else see the A’s impending lease expiration as perhaps Wolff’s biggest weapon here? Give him San Jose or MLB can have the wonderful Coliseum in all its glory – for many more decades. Or, MLB can go ahead with the embarrassment of contracting the team, and the goodwill that will build with the players union. Hopefully, MLB can in the not-too-distant future broadcast a World Series game featuring a brushed-out Raiders logo and yard line markers all over the field.

  25. The A’s should announce that they are moving to SJ and dare MLB and the G’s to block them. Just hire a construction crew and start digging hard, real hard in SJ

  26. @all – I saw a Jon Heyman article yesterday that had Bill Neukom at the meetings. The fact that he’s still there indicates that he’s still the lead for the Giants on the T-rights issue.

  27. Apparently, Selig sees Neukom and runs for cover, terrified. Any evidence that Selig will ever stand up to the Giants and do what’s best for MLB? Nope.

  28. @ML- are owners prohibited from holding press conferences- Be great to hear LW take- and didn’t LW bring n his own version of neukom- was he there? Finally, any insight into city of SJ filing suit near term?

  29. I don’t think San Jose has the $$ to file a lawsuit like this. Not when the city dumps city tree-trimming responsibilities on property owners, since the city budget has no $$ for that. It would probably have to be an organization like baseballsanjose filing. But would such an organization have standing to file? And baseballsanjose’s funds to promote a vote, etc would then have to be spend on a drawn-out court battle.

  30. I don’t think it matters who files the lawsuit. SVLG could do it.
    And really, it doesn’t need to get that far. The threat of a lawsuit might be enough.

  31. An anti-trust suit this big, with the potential to rock MLB at its foundation, would be a case a big-time AT law firm would take on a contingency in a nano-second. The City of San Jose wouldn’t have to spend any money, but they might have to allow their legal staffers to help strategize with the AT firm.
    BTW, all the big-time AT firms know Neukom real well, including a couple of well placed firms on the peninsula. It shouldn’t surprise anyone that Neukon is present – the sabre-rattling may have already begun behind the scenes already; wink wink nod nod say no more.

  32. I don’t see movement unless SJ sues/challenges ATE

  33. How can SJ get back at the giants? Kick out sj giants? Whats the info on SJ Giants playing here? I believe its time for war. We all know Selig wants the teams to work it out but that wont happen cuz the giants think there shit doesnt stink. So its up to SJ to step up.

  34. As long as the A’s are willingly participating in negotiations with MLB/Giants over SCCo, what groups does a lawsuit have?

  35. correction: what grounds does a lawsuit have?

  36. Negotiations? What negotiations? All we’ve heard is the Giants refuse to negotiate at all.

  37. Now Giants fans are running with A’s are moving away… *bangs head against wall*
    How stupid can people be and make stuff up about nothing. All Selig basically said when asked would the A’s move out of the bay if no SJ, he said I don’t know ask them. And that turns in to oh my gosh A’s are leaving!!!! So so stupid.

  38. People on athletics nation are running with it and saying San Jose is dead…
    From there:
    Looks like SJ is option dead
    Doug Sovern ‏@SovernNation
    A’s-to-San Jose booster Larry Stone tells KCBS he interprets Selig’s comments to mean the A’s move to SJ is dead & no longer an option.

    Doug Sovern ‏@SovernNation
    Stone believes this means the A’s will now explore leaving the Bay Area, and aren’t likely to embrace any of the proposed Oakland sites

  39. There is no basis for fretting that the A’s are leaving the Bay Area, since Wolff hasn’t expressed any interest in that (ever), and Selig was only answering a reporter’s question. But it sure would have been nice to hear Bud give an answer like, “the A’s have always said they want to stay in Northern California and we remain committed to finding a solution that works for everyone involved” or something along those lines.
    Instead the Commissioner said, “It just depends on where they’re moving to.” Doesn’t sound like anyone at MLB HQ will be jumping in front of the bus to prevent the A’s from leaving the Bay Area if or when it comes to that.

  40. re: People on athletics nation are running with it and saying San Jose is dead…Stone believes this means the A’s will now explore leaving the Bay Area, and aren’t likely to embrace any of the proposed Oakland sites

    …So, San Jose losing doesn’t necessarily mean Oakland wins. Sounds familiar.

  41. I think the A’s should say they want to move to NYC. Get the Yankees and Mets mad at the Giants.

  42. latest comment from Lew :


    “”Number one, my only objective is to remain in the Bay Area,” A’s owner Lew Wolff said Thursday. “And based on all our studies, plus receiving no indication from the blue-ribbon committee that we missed anything, the only location we can find to build a ballpark that’s do-able is in downtown San Jose. I intend to do that. And we intend to invest half a billion dollars in private funds to do so.”

    anyone can spare 1B ?

  43. So, the A’s are staying in the Bay Area and the Giants don’t seem to be budging on SJ. Same as it ever was. The meeting with Wolff and Knauss will be interesting.

  44. Wolff could do what MLB thought (possibly erronously) the Piccinini group was going to do .. we’ll just stay and collect revenue sharing forever.

  45. re: So, the A’s are staying in the Bay Area

    …if staying means staying forever in the Coliseum, don’t count on it…

  46. So LW says it is still San Jose- he was at the meetings too- bs shouldn’t be allowed to speak to the media- and larry stone has jumped the fun again

  47. Sorry to see that Larry Stone is “out of the loop.”
    Maybe he’s pissed that Lew doesn’t give him the inside scoop anymore.
    Va’giants are about to get theirs…
    Heard that Neukom said (double hearsay) that current va’giants ownership/management ie Baer, is telling their current investors, that Commissioner Mice Nuts isn’t going to pull the plug on their little party anytime soon…
    Then along came Jones (aka ATE Esq).

  48. Giants must be loving this shit.

  49. This A’s team is really really gutsy. Fights until the end and always believes they can pull it off. And they just did, against Texas, one of the best teams in baseball, in their yard. Credit Bob Melvin for instilling this fighting spirit. Friggin’ awesome.
    And yes, Donaldson is probably going back to Sac just as soon as one of the other guys comes off the DL.

  50. Oakland SJ drama aside, Cool to see Oakland hanging around the 500 mark considering how crappy a lot of people thought they would be after the latest yard sale. If they keep it up, I wonder how they’ll spin trying to dump guys like Balfour and Fuentes , Colon etc. If they in fact go that rout.
    Naturally watch them nose dive in ten days or so and it won’t really matter.

  51. And we have Manny Ramirez coming aboard in a few weex. It’s clear this is not the 90-100-loss team the so-called experts envisioned.

  52. i’m not getting optimistic that we’ll stay at .500 for the season just yet.

  53. Me neither. But I’m enjoying it while I can, and taking it day by day.

  54. Sometimes, you just have to enjoy it for what it is. Your team surpassing expectations. Even if you know reality is most likely rearing its ugly head in the not so distant future. That’s why we’re fans and why we care.

  55. A’s will be competitive all season…trust that. All the experts will be eating their words and Wollf/Beane will look like even bigger punks if they try and sabotage a possible playoff push. Watch this summer and fall….gonna be some great crowds a coming and we will beat SF this weekend……Bauce!

  56. I still have emotional scars from Juan and Pudge smacking out HRs in that stadium followed by the stupid Natural song. I hate that stadium, Ranger fans and their goddamn fireworks. Good win.

  57. The only thing missing from todays’ game was Bill King sounding all craggy and complaining about Texas and how much he hates the place.

  58. I saw a game once in that middle-of-nowhere stadium. They should call it Humidity Field.

  59. Great win! But God I hate the Giants now. My second favorite team is whoever the Giants are playing. I will never set foot in their f*cking ballpark, they can kiss my a**, and I hope the A’s sweep them this weekend! I hope the Gnats remain sub .500 for the next decade and that phone company park empties out faster than a school yard on the last day of class. Karma is a bitch.

  60. Gotta love it Bauche- beginning of season a bunch of the Oakland only crowd were claiming LW was intentionally putting a shitty team on the field for this year- now your saying they will demolish what amounts to a decent team- you guys are amazing- stick wit your story right or wrong… Be great to celebrate a good win without trying to throw the owner under the bus who is willing to spend 500M of his own money to put our team in a new ballpark-

  61. A’s are NOT leaving the Bay Area……period!

    All of that talk is non sense. Wolff will sell before that happens!

  62. This A’s team can scrap this year and I like how Melvin is handling this team and teaching them to scrap out wins!

  63. …yes, Wolff will sell rather than leaving the Bay Area. Then, the next owner runs into the same roadblocks Wolff ran into in Oakland and then the team leaves in a few years.. Oakland’s issues (no public $$, no site) aren’t going away…

  64. GoA’s….shut up…SJ doesn’t deserve a pro team at all. SJ is a cowtown. A’s need and will stay in oakland

  65. Real a’s fans don’t wanna go to lame ass DUI central San Jose. Damn the garbage stadium with those lames in the 408. The few folks,like myself,who stay going to A’s games have more soul and personality than anyone in SJ can dream of. Lew Wolff and company aren’t happy at all with the first 39 games for damn sure. When MLB upholds SF territory stuff San Jose will focus on getting Sharks an updated arena

  66. we have a new troll—welcome Bauce

  67. @dk7- It doesn’t matter as long as the commissioner of baseball is totally gutless! He’s too chicken sh*t to take a stand one way or another! Mediate a solution already Bud! He’s trying to make everyone happy, but the truth is, someone has to lose- and he just wants it to go away. MLB has already admitted that the Coliseum site isn’t viable, but Bud won’t put on his big boy pants and do what’s right because he’s afraid of upsetting the Giants because he’s a huge p*ssy! And yet he knows that the A’s are desperate- the mayor recently said that Victory Court is off the table. That doesn’t leave a whole lot of options. So finally, Oakland can reveal their mystery investor who will buy the team and build Coliseum City? What a let down. I can’t believe we are going to try and compete with the Giants with that. Even the Clorox guy doesn’t want to build there- it’s a joke! And yet now it’s our only hope of keeping the A’s in the Bay Area…I feel ill. Thanks Bud.

  68. Bud Selig views the loss of us as fans as acceptable collateral damage.

  69. @Bauce- You’ve made some very good points backed by some new data that I wasn’t aware of. I see things much differently now. Thank You

  70. @Bauce
    Welcome and thank you for your inane commentary. We are all better for it. Looking forward to more of your enlightened analysis in the days and weeks ahead. Keep ’em coming.

  71. Purdy basically said the complete opposite. All the reporters are basically taking their personal views and projecting them on to these comments by Selig. Which means by the end of the day that Selig really said nothing but that the media are using it as an excuse to reiterate their chosen positions.

  72. I would just like to point out to the gentleman, GoA’s, that his beloved Mr. Wolff will indeed put 500m of his $ into a park, but not in The East Bay. 500m in private funding in the East Bay, would = a park in the East Bay I imagine. If efforts were being made. That is all I’m saying. Sorry…longtime lurker, who just wants the A’s to be OK either way. I think a new owner might help that cause actually. Time will tell.

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